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Post by Kel on Apr 24, 2007 7:52:02 GMT -5
Talk here about the fabulous officers of the RMS Titanic. Chief Officer Henry Tingle Wilde (died on the Titanic) First Officer William McMaster Murdoch (died on the Titanic) Second Officer Charles Herbert Lightoller (collapsible lifeboat B) Third Officer Herbert John Pitman (lifeboat #5) Fourth Officer Joseph Groves Boxhall (lifeboat #2) Fifth Officer Harold Godfrey Lowe (lifeboat #14) Sixth Officer James Paul Moody (died on the Titanic) I did not get any of that info from a website or a book right now. I have actually memorized their full names. lol. I need a life..... anywho..... TALK! ---Kelly.
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Post by Satine on Apr 24, 2007 9:05:37 GMT -5
Well...You don't need a life, first off. I had to look up half of the names myself when writing my story, but I have to say Will and Harold are a favorite of mine. ;D Thanks, James Cameron!
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Post by Mrs. Harold Lowe on Apr 24, 2007 10:15:02 GMT -5
Yea thanks James Cameron for that............but I'm still attacking him with a metal bat.....................lol, I as well like Harold (especially Harold) and Will
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Post by Kel on Apr 24, 2007 21:20:18 GMT -5
ONe of my favorites is Sixth Officer James Moody. He was the youngest of all the officers, and yet he died. No one knows exactly how he met his end, and it is just very sad that a young man had to die at only the age of twenty-four. also, he really isn't that bad looking....... lol. ---Kelly.
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Post by Satine on Apr 24, 2007 22:36:57 GMT -5
ONe of my favorites is Sixth Officer James Moody. He was the youngest of all the officers, and yet he died. No one knows exactly how he met his end, and it is just very sad that a young man had to die at only the age of twenty-four. also, he really isn't that bad looking....... lol. ---Kelly. Poor thing...
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Post by Kel on Apr 25, 2007 8:22:41 GMT -5
I once read a fascinating article that suggests that Moody may have shot himself, instead of the blame of that incident being thrown onto Wilde and Murdoch. They gave evidence that pointed to Officer Moody for the possible officer suicide theory.
I read it, and I will admit that the evidence was good, but I still don't believe it. Where would Moody have gotten the gun?? He, like Lowe, may have had his own gun with him, but I am saying that he wouldn't have been issued one. I can't see an actual motive for him to shoot himself, so I doubt it was him.
I think it was more Murdoch. He may have had a motive for doing that. But, I saw the movie before i did any actual researching so I'll likely always have that idea in my mind that it was Murdoch.
It could have been Wilde, but what motive would he have? He may have been a bit depressed about his wife and two baby sons dying less than two years earlier, but is that enough to have made him pull the trigger to his own brain??
Interesting subject, in my opinion. Any thoughts on this??
---Kelly.
reason why i just edited this post: i spelled my name wrong again. lol. 'kely'. lmao.
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Post by Mrs. Harold Lowe on Apr 25, 2007 19:39:33 GMT -5
Thats a pretty interesting theory...........I dunno...........
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Post by Satine on May 30, 2007 9:58:55 GMT -5
I once read a fascinating article that suggests that Moody may have shot himself, instead of the blame of that incident being thrown onto Wilde and Murdoch. They gave evidence that pointed to Officer Moody for the possible officer suicide theory. I read it, and I will admit that the evidence was good, but I still don't believe it. Where would Moody have gotten the gun?? He, like Lowe, may have had his own gun with him, but I am saying that he wouldn't have been issued one. I can't see an actual motive for him to shoot himself, so I doubt it was him. I think it was more Murdoch. He may have had a motive for doing that. But, I saw the movie before i did any actual researching so I'll likely always have that idea in my mind that it was Murdoch. It could have been Wilde, but what motive would he have? He may have been a bit depressed about his wife and two baby sons dying less than two years earlier, but is that enough to have made him pull the trigger to his own brain?? Interesting subject, in my opinion. Any thoughts on this?? ---Kelly. reason why i just edited this post: i spelled my name wrong again. lol. 'kely'. lmao.Interesting theory on that, but really, I don't think any of them had real motivation to kill themselves. Even when I saw the movie and then did my own little research, I always just assumed it was Murdoch. If someone did shoot themself, which may have happened, it may not have, it was probably out of panic. *shrugs* I guess we'll never know, we weren't there. (Or maybe we were...another life, anyone?)
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Post by Kel on Jun 1, 2007 22:58:09 GMT -5
Well, I think all three officers may have had a bit of a motive for killing themselves.
Murdoch may have felt a bit of guilt because he was the officer on duty at the time of the collision and he was calling all the shots. He may have felt guilty and thought it was his fault. He had the entire situation falling upon his shoulders. Even from the moment he heard the bell up in the crows nest ringing he knew the severity of the situation. He knew that there weren't enough lifeboats and he knew their chances of clearing the ice were slim. He likely felt guilty and/or remorseful.
Wilde may have just been depressed and didn't want to live anymore. Perhaps he already knew he was doomed to die and didn't wish to prolong his end and to meet his fate quickly. He had lost his wife and two infant twin sons in December of 1910, so I am sure that was a major blow to his emotional state. That type of tragedy is horrible and life shattering. So I think he may have just been depressed.
And now for Moody.... his motive doesn't seem too clear. He may have wanted to go down like a hero and help out as much as he could. And maybe all of that became too tough on his young mind (since he was the youngest of all the officers, being only 24 years old). He could have shot himself too, just for the sake of wanting to meet his end heroically (spelling???) and quickly.
All three deceased officers who fell victim to the ocean's power, and may have fallen deep for the temptaion of the trigger, they all had possible motives. We just need to find out which is the most convincing of them all.
---Kelly.
ps. perhaps all of us were on the Titanic in our past lives! yayy! Maybe we were all sipping brandy with Ismay or enjoying the fresh ocean breeze while walking along the A-deck promenade with the Countess of Rothes and Molly Brown (although the A deck promenade was enclosed by windows, unlike the Olympic, because people didn't like the ocean spray). Wouldn't that be interesting??
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Post by Eldarwen on Jun 7, 2007 13:18:22 GMT -5
I really don't think any officer shot himself. It just seems unlikely to do so. The officers were trying to keep things as calm and as orderly as possible. Maybe they used the guns to fire off warning shots.
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Post by Kel on Jun 7, 2007 14:55:20 GMT -5
Hi Eldarwen, welcome! Perhaps there wasn't an officer suicide, but if their was, there is some evidence to say it. Yes, some warning shots were fired off. Second Officer Lightoller stated at the inquiries that he did not use his gun, but then confided to a friend, years later, that he did in fact use his gun to fire warnings. Fifth Officer Lowe fired a few shots into the water, along the side of the ship when some unruly passengers attempted (and some succeeded) to jump into boat #14. He is sure that nobody was in the way of those bullets. Likely, nobody will ever know where those bullets landed. Whether they were aimed in the air, or in the water, or at a passenger, or at one's own head. Those secrets are locked away in the ocean, and the traces of real evidence have been swept away by time. ---Kelly.
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Post by Eldarwen on Jun 8, 2007 9:52:35 GMT -5
That was an interesting theory, Kelly. I do sort of believe Wilde would have done it. I did just check up on the info, and that would push anybody to suicide if they were depressed enough.
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Post by Kel on Jun 9, 2007 22:34:03 GMT -5
yes, poor officer Wilde had a couple of setbacks prior to the sinking. i heard somewhere that he was seen smoking a cigar in the ship's final moments, but I'm not too sure how true that could be. i doubt it. i prefer to thinnk he went down like a man, helping others and saving lives like a true hero.
---Kelly.
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Post by Eldarwen on Jun 9, 2007 22:42:29 GMT -5
Too bad I can't go back in time and find out for sure or change the future. I could only do that in fan fic.
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Post by Satine on Jun 9, 2007 22:48:06 GMT -5
Too bad I can't go back in time and find out for sure or change the future. I could only do that in fan fic. I know I've wanted to do that!
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